If not, thank you Dr. Gajewski we hope you can stay around for the rest of the CAC discussion. One other thing that should probably be mentioned is negative studies are rarely make it into the literature, the other issues, to make sure each and every one of these studies, had IRB approval to do. He is a Master of the American College of Physicians, is board certified in hematology oncology with a focus on stem cell transplantation, he is a pioneer researcher in alternative donor transplantation, including unrelated donors, haplo identical donors and umbilical cord blood transplant. I think you need to have guidance, and this was the only study, as far as I could see, that utilized it. Wise suggested, that I have the feeling that these therapies may hold promise, but we do not yet have sufficient evidence to recommend their use outside of ongoing research study protocols. Dr. Padma Gulur The CAC process supplements the Medicare Administrative Contractors, internal expertise and is to help to ensure an unbiased and contemporary consideration of newly developed technology and science. Going on to the next article, this was actually the systematic review, and the amnio did provide significant relief after two months, 0 to 2 months. No fee schedules, basic unit, relative values or related listings are included in CPT. Looks like some who were having problems appear to be able to answer these questions, that's good to see. Dr. Janet Lawrence The contractor information can be found at the top of the document in the Contractor Information section (expand the section to see the details). RyfJwE@~:_t4lGY@iYTSBd(m6 DZk0XGxmpP+pF+ff,rBQ*A-E;qkdKom`5!0>?|;!Qb5(Hj QPiX)=Zc4cgQ+*lri59? 0000030507 00000 n 0000016569 00000 n CDT is a trademark of the ADA. But, given what I stated, not homologous use of cells or allogeneic cells are subject to licensure. These materials contain Current Dental Terminology (CDTTM), copyright© 2022 American Dental Association (ADA). AMA Disclaimer of Warranties and Liabilities Again, for those, we will be in contact with those who are not able to access the website. Looks like, we're waiting for maybe a couple more questions, and then we can move on, just give it another moment. I did have paper 12 included in my list, the micronized dehydrated use of amniotic allograft, for treatment of tendinopathy, but that was all discussed in under Condition two, and so I won't include that in the summary here. You know, I've used amniotic membrane products for revision cases specifically tendon revision cases, peroneals, Achilles, PT tendon, but you know, with respect to all the literature that were reviewed, I just don't think. With all of the caveats that were mentioned previously, you know, it's somewhat concerning the way in which this unlicensed product was used in the study. %PDF-1.7 % The AMA warrants that due to the nature of CPT, it does not manipulate or process dates, therefore there is no Year 2000 issue with CPT. At the end, we will conclude with a brief summary of the next step in the LCD development process. WebHCPCS (Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System) Code Description Q4235 AmnioRepair, per sq cm HCPCS Modifiers Code Description JC Skin substitute used as Alright. Where these products registered and licensed with the FDA and part of an IRB approved clinical trial? Dr. Will Harvey There was there was just one study that, that spoke of using it with the micro fractures. Short follow up, there were many problems with that. WebHuman amniotic membrane grafts with suture or glue (65779, 65780, V2790) may be considered medically necessary for the treatment of the following ophthalmic indications: Corneal perforation when corneal tissue is not immediately available; or Pterygium repair when there is insufficient healthy tissue to create a conjunctival autograft. There were three supraspinatus tendon cases for the shoulder. So, a level of evidence of one, seems like the big point coming from this article that it appears to be safe, seems that that was the big statement they were making. Another strength, is that, is that the cohort showed improvement in pain reduction and, and function over time, and that was statistically significant. And therefore, many of the published studies should really be considered entirely independently of each other. 0000019397 00000 n I mean, I can't say, I have data that I can back it up, you know and I'm not sure that they want to hear about that here, but anyway, that's all I can speak on that. They used [inaudible] score. Dr. Will Harvey Linda Meyer Here, we compared, they compared steroids versus fresh amniotic fluid at the site and it was injected at the site of maximum tenderness. Linda Meyer The Medicare program provides limited benefits for outpatient prescription drugs. Dr. Janet Lawrence Self-Administered Drug (SAD) Exclusion List articles list the CPT/HCPCS codes that are excluded from coverage under this category. We appreciate our panelists, and we also appreciate the attendees, recognizing that everyone is busy, and we appreciate everyone's answers. See if you can to see if there are any cells are just basically giving some type of nomenclature, whether it's autologous or allogeneic, or just the steps that are taken. Depending on which region, cervical versus, you know, lumbar that were being injected. I mean no disrespect to any expert speaking at the time, this is only to ensure all topics get attention in the three hours we've allotted today. Amniotic fluid contains fibrinolytic agents, and there is evidence from So that steroid paper we just discussed as well, where the injection of just lidocaine into the space is published in the New England Journal of Medicine in an epidural injection can result in significant relief for these patients. In partial answer to that question, one of the review articles today, I looked at, cited an article by Park et all, all that used this technique of microfracture injections that was part of an IRB approved protocol. I would personally like to welcome you all to the Multi-Jurisdictional Contractor Advisory Committee Meeting for Amniotic Product Injections for Musculoskeletal Indications, Non-Wound. So, I just don't think, there's significant literature to show that it's better, and also in regards to pain reduction, and improved function, I don't really feel that there's strong literature, at this point, I think, I think it shows promise, and I've used it anecdotally, I've used it in the clinic, but there's just not strong enough evidence to support it. The issue of amniotic fluid becomes a little bit more because you don't you, when we use umbilical cord blood transplants, we are often using those that are only half matched with the intended recipient and that's HLA typing there from umbilical cord blood is low very low resolution, not the sort of high resolution molecular typing that I use with an unrelated, an adult unrelated donor and an adult unrelated recipient. Many times, it is driven by industry. Instruments that they used, it was essentially descriptive statistics on data collected on an excel sheet as they described it, and the outcomes were six-month post treatment. Dr. Padma Gulur Wise just reviewed. As you just pointed out, I've had the pleasure of hearing some excellent discussion on other conditions, many of which actually, which have more evidence, if we can summarize it to be that, compared to the conditions I will be presenting on today, which are back pain and cervical facet joint based therapy. So, with FDA licensure, comes various sterility testing assays. ICD-10-CM Codes that Support Medical Necessity, ICD-10-CM Codes that DO NOT Support Medical Necessity, CORNEAL WEDGE RESECTION FOR CORRECTION OF SURGICALLY INDUCED ASTIGMATISM, PLACEMENT OF AMNIOTIC MEMBRANE ON THE OCULAR SURFACE; WITHOUT SUTURES, PLACEMENT OF AMNIOTIC MEMBRANE ON THE OCULAR SURFACE; SINGLE LAYER, SUTURED, OCULAR SURFACE RECONSTRUCTION; AMNIOTIC MEMBRANE TRANSPLANTATION, MULTIPLE LAYERS, AMNIOTIC MEMBRANE FOR SURGICAL RECONSTRUCTION, PER PROCEDURE. So, it wasn't reconstituted in saline. Organizations who contract with CMS acknowledge that they may have a commercial CDT license with the ADA, and that use of CDT codes as permitted herein for the administration of CMS programs does not extend to any other programs or services the organization may administer and royalties dues for the use of the CDT codes are governed by their commercial license. So, we will now go into our second general discussion which will be conducted by Dr. Barton Wise and he will discuss the general concepts of use. The difficulty here is that this was an uncontrolled study of an injected therapy and the risk of bias in this study, which is the main factor I use when interpreting studies to determine whether the results are believable is extremely high because the study was not controlled, not blinded. iC>:D~c~V*H0"Q%L]5CB Dr. Janet Lawrence THE LICENSES GRANTED HEREIN ARE EXPRESSLY CONDITIONED UPON YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THESE AGREEMENTS. Try entering any of this type of information provided in your denial letter. 35 0 obj <> endobj xref They did, they do. Enter the CPT/HCPCS code in the MCD Search and select your state from the drop down. Also specific Level II HCPCS codes for hospitals, physicians and other health There's also variability in the, the volume of some of these injections and some of these studies, and so the variability questions. 3798 0 obj <>stream All rights reserved. Very detailed and thorough overview of the articles. I spoke to the company Amnio Technology and was told the code for the injection is 96372 and the product code if your office is purchasing is Q4174. This study itself from both a methodology, product, and, you know, power, stander, standards that are used, as well as instruments for measuring outcomes left a lot to be desired or, you know, definitely would not lead to robust conclusions that people could draw. We also welcome those attending in listen only mode, sharing your interest on this discussion today. So, yeah. I recognize that not all clinics doing this work have felt that they were subject to FDA jurisdiction. If your session expires, you will lose all items in your basket and any active searches. I have no conflicts of interest. The best data for long term and what they concluded overall was the botulinum injections that they did in this study. hb```b``fe`c`bb@ !( *' F A `ka 34, ^p(1E1;=Es[:$0y2Ma ;/\yn! As part of our meeting, you are asked to respond to questions on competence of evidence on today's topic. And so I think that's also a factor. Dr. Padma Gulur So, I'll forgo the summaries, but and my area of focus was harm and adverse events, and both conservative and then operative applications of these products. It's a pilot study, with just 10 patients, with, with promising early results, but still lacks not only the power, but the standardization, the selection of cohorts, you know, many of the, the problems that have been brought up already, so, I don't have a lot to add except to echo that, that, we do need more data, that, there are still questions, all these studies say, there's safety and efficacy, but again, they're short-term, and there's still questions, as brought up at the very general section, on safety. As you likely already know, but I will reinforce the CAC process changed effective January 8, 2019, per CR 10901. We truly don't have appropriate labeling or information on any of this. And that was also statistically significant, and that was unique to this, to this article, the others did not have that. You could argue, or one might argue that an injection ultrasound guided with growth factors plus and by growth factors I mean in acellular, reconstituted, embryonic injection that we're talking about. Hydrates rapidly in the surgical site. Question number two, how confident are you in the evidence, that amniotic product injections to treat the osteoarthritis demonstrate long term safety? Warning: you are accessing an information system that may be a U.S. Government information system. And, again, not adequately powered to truly detect efficacy. copied without the express written consent of the AHA. Dr. Janet Lawrence Any other comments from any of the panelists about any of the topics today? Dr. Janet Lawrence Condition three questions should be available. That makes it an allogeneic product subject to licensure. You can collapse such groups by clicking on the group header to make navigation easier. All patients, the remarkable part of this has ceased use in prescription pain, medication including opioids and no adverse events, repeat procedures are complications were reported. You can use your browser's Print function (Ctrl-P on a PC or Command-P on a Mac) to view a print preview and then select PDF as the output. So, we still need data, and intra-op, yes, I've used it with primarily good results, but on a limited basis than in a case by case basis. This Agreement will terminate upon notice to you if you violate the terms of this Agreement. So, in summary of sort of a general overview of this, some preliminary data appears potentially promising. ICD-10 Diagnosis Codes that may support medical necessity: E08.621 - E08.622 E09.621 - E09.622 E10.621 - E10.622 E11.621 - Applications are available at the AMA Web site, https://www.ama-assn.org. And if they changed the success rate to being converted to surgery or not, it jumped up to about almost 70%, the limitations of this, so that it was also a pilot with no real applicability beyond the pilot safety measures they were looking for and the injectate was never mentioned. If you are having an issue like this please contact, You are leaving the CMS MCD and are being redirected to the CMS MCD Archive that contains outdated (No Longer In Effect) Local Coverage Determinations and Articles, You are leaving the CMS MCD and are being redirected to, Billing and Coding: Amniotic Membrane Billing Guidelines for HCPCS Code V2790, AMA CPT / ADA CDT / AHA NUBC Copyright Statement, Article - Billing and Coding: Amniotic Membrane Billing Guidelines for HCPCS Code V2790 (A53441). 0000006687 00000 n Moving on to our general housekeeping item. So, I find it difficult to assess the efficacy or safety of this product based on this study alone. California, Hawaii, Nevada, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands. I'm Padma Gulur, and I have no conflicts or disclosures. And, looks like, we have seven so if were having some technical issues, it does appear we are, we have everyone. Dr. Janet Lawrence And so, I think that may be a technology in search of an indication. There was funding by, you know, MiMedx which is associated with EpiFix. Please review and accept the agreements in order to view Medicare Coverage documents, which may include licensed information and codes. But there was kind of, in my opinion, quite a few weaknesses. The primary outcome was the mean change in the $BV9MZT3$DyWP, h%P"hj6=LF3)mSX%.e0 dN\ V` Enjoy a guided tour of FindACode's many features and tools. Dr. Janet Lawrence The other issue, since almost all these studies are company funded and not from an independent analysis, we're missing that unbiased view of safety, that is so necessary. Dr. Janet Lawrence fee at all. 0000004464 00000 n It was randomized, but it's unclear if it was truly blinded. Which was a case series. I think the answer is no. Although, there were no details. An infusion of fractured cell, your products can actually create, create an immune cascade, similar to what we're seeing with some of the COVID patients. hb```b``Qg`e`y @16.5&Gsf cQ"b8)l82+q {5lJ,lhn7: YZGA 3*l910eX,_ ,*KodXD78^mc0[dzMBt Dr. Janet Lawrence That does not include joint repair. Trade names: Fluid Flow and Fluid GF. Wise just reviewed. Dr. Ann Marie Sun Dr. Janet Lawrence or a code that is not valid for Medicare to a It is a randomized, controlled trial. Dr. Janet Lawrence This email will be sent from you to the The next paper was a pilot study of 20 individuals using a different outcome called Womack, W, O, M, A, C, which is also a very well standardized and commonly accepted outcome in knee osteoarthritis research. But I would conclude that I do believe it is safe in the short term. Question five, how confident are you in the evidence that amniotic product injections or placement intra-operatively improved short or intermediate term post-operative outcomes, for this condition? Not at all. For any of the literature that you have reviewed, have you seen where these potential complications from the fracturing or other things other then bruising or allergy have been addressed? This is Bart Wise again, just with regard to the safety. There are important differences, I would argue, in manifestation of pathology between these joints in terms of pain, functional limitation, and other things and lumping them together like this prevents appropriate and joint specific measurement of outcomes. We will first hear from Dr. Tassone, then Dr. Block, then Dr. Pavelescu followed finally, by Dr. Whiteside who will give the orthopedic perspective. The other, the other issues that came into play is a methodology in which the actual procedures were done in one, they needled the plantar fascia, as they injected the amniotic product. Dr. James Gajewski Dr. James Gajewski Last date for which a procedure or modifier code may be used by Medicare providers. Dr. Janet Lawrence Linda, please take it away. The only, the only data that that I've found that I've been exposed to, to be honest, white papers from the suppliers. They have clearly stepped up to the plate and are doing the long-term tracking of the immune effector cells, which are primarily now the car T cell therapy. The responsibility for the content of this file/product is with CMS and no endorsement by the AMA is intended or implied. Other thing and a number 14 with Robert Santrock, Hanselman know essentially the effectiveness is similar to steroid injections. That is one of our problems also right now, since all of us in academics are clinically overburdened. These products if you are using them for related donors, must be very, very cautious. Anything further from the panelists? So, thanks to Dr. Gulur for waiting so patiently and for everyone to stick it out. But, again, many, many of this, these studies, are, are more like white papers, then, truly good, randomized, double blinded controlled studies. Avalon Global Care is developing stem cell therapeutics for cancer, but they are, their whole product focus is on China, they have no products, currently or plan for the US marketplace. You know, there was a big question of is it the needle, is it the passing of through the tendon that's actually invoking the response versus trust the other injectate. You know, they show good results, but there's no control and way too much heterogeneity and where they're injecting it [inaudible]. Find HCPCS Q4139 code data using HIPAASpace API : The Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System (HCPCS) is a And you kinda left me without any further questions on your topic. Yeah, this is Anne Marie Sun from Noridian. If there are no further comments, then we will proceed to our fourth and final poll. And I presume that the products were not registered with FDA, either. So, I was asked to review and found in the literature two papers that were primarily review articles discussing other author's work, as well as some of the background information on these types of therapies that Dr. Initially the cortisone as the control seemed to have, equal or maybe even a little better after the first, I believe month that it seemed the amniotic exceeded the results. One of the investigators, did disclose that they had stock or shares in the company and they were on the advisory committee. I just want to make one overall comment and perhaps get comments from the panel. Thank you. The next paper was Effectiveness of Epidural Amniotic Fluid Injection for Low Back Pain. CPT codes, descriptions and other data only are copyright 2002-2020 American Medical Association (AMA). %PDF-1.6 % Wise from the panel? And, but, again, it is like some of the other studies. He served in the Air Force where he was the chief of orthopedic surgery, and he is a member of the New Mexico Orthopedic Surgery Association. With that being said, we will get right into the formal CAC by beginning with our first speaker, Dr. Gajewski, who will discuss the FDA labeling and general safety, of these products. The code lists in the article help explain which services (procedures) the related LCD applies to, the diagnosis codes for which the service is covered, or for which the service is not considered reasonable and necessary and therefore not covered. But that's my best guess at the pronunciation, it was published in, in a book chapter actually in 2011 and as a report of a single study over seven years. And so I can't, I can't confirm much of the aspects of quality study design. Again, as we said, and of the nine patients, seven were males and two females. I'm sure the authors would probably agree as well that that's a sign that the literature is thin. Any questions pertaining to the license or use of the CPT should be addressed to the AMA. It was injected intradiskally, and varied dose 50 to 100 milligrams of particulate for cervical, lumbar, and lumbar sacral disc. A patient with Achilles tendinosis received an injection of Amniofix to the left Achilles tendon. Dr. Eileen Moynihan We will conduct introduction shortly, and please indicate for the meeting record any conflicts of interest when Dr. Lawrence does call your name. I think one paper gave their cohorts the option of having a second injection and their inference was that there may be a dose dependent effect because they did see a significant decrease in pain and increase in functionality, but I don't think that's explicitly uniform for all the literature. Any questions pertaining to the license or use of the CPT must be addressed to the AMA. The scope of this license is determined by the ADA, the copyright holder. CMS and its products and services are not endorsed by the AHA or any of its affiliates. However, if amniotic membrane application is required in the course of that procedure, then either CPT Codes 65778 or 65779, depending on the method of application of the membrane must be billed with 65775 when a membrane is applied. Linda Meyer So, the good news is that they are using well established standardized measures.
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