Is that true? Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. stream Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. Make sure power is on to controller. Woo-Hoo! I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. also there are 22 stations. 1:27:03 w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. WebHunter ACC Decoders. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. JavaScript is disabled. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. <>>> 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. If the voltage did not change, verify that If successful, it will display the Dec <> One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. nothing works. I feel like I am beating this to death. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Konapride - U da Man! here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 2. JavaScript is disabled. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. also there A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. JavaScript is disabled. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. 1:24:23 The Half Method. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to Whats the next step? G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. endobj I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. % For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All rights reserved. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. A condensed version might be possible in your area. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. Start the controller manually. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Thanks for any help. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Check flow sensor setup. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. endobj 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. 1 0 obj Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. 4 0 obj here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). 19 yrs & counting. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. The decoder may be damaged. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. Success! Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Check battery display or So here's the recap guys: Success! 2. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Check flow sensor wiring. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. also there are 22 stations. Each modules electrical current is shown. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. 2 0 obj Sometimes it works perfectly fine. HunterTekGeek 1. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. Sorry. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. School of hard knocks. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. 3 0 obj Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Display backlight will reduce battery life. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Can we trust electronic component curves? To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Operating large numbers However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y Hi guys. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. HCC Manual Operation. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. Check Power Supply Board status light. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. Wont read flow. ICC2 Manual Operation. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. <> Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Select. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. nothing works. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I love the product. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. Awesome sps2868. I'd say a helper would be handy. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. There will be more online material in the future. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. All rights reserved. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. %PDF-1.5 and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Start station with MV from controller or remote. Overflow messages. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. I will check on it. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. Check two-wire path and controller power. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. Woo-Hoo! Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Thanks for your patience. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Thank you. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. If WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. nothing works. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. Thanks to all for the kind words. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. All rights reserved. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? If Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! endobj Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red.
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